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PostSubject: Not a real 4wd   Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:54 am

Hmmm not serious 4 wd..... Shocked So i'm told.... Razz
For a not serious 4wd, it sure makes one hell of a mountain goat.
Just got back from a fishing trip in the Vic high country.
yes it sufferd from low ground clearence on the front, but with some smart driving it kept up with those serious 4wd's (with a comfort factor of -3 Razz ) in style and in comfort.
And I might add it did suprise me and a few others the angles it climbed, over lose rocky stuff dust out of river beds without a low high reduction box, all without losing traction once.

Two words, bloody brilliant. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:50 pm

Good man !!!
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:30 am

Sounds like another convert Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:24 am

AussieQ wrote:
Sounds like another convert Smile

Oh yeh you bet ya.
After boxing day towing the tandam trialer, with the M/bikes up to heathcote park for the christmas challenge, with half the family on board with enough food, drinks, shelters, chairs, kitchen sinks, etc, etc, etc, to say I'm a convert, hell yeh. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:47 pm

YAY - another 4WD!!!! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:54 pm

I not long got back from a trip up Maroochy way Via 4WD track (My Favourite) Port Macquarie to Point Plomer.SWEEET!!
I've takin the old kombi through there a few times before and she ate it up so it was good to compare............
Verdict?

Kombi Killed it Clearance wise (Lifted with 31"s )But the new ace although scraping her belly a couple of times powered through without even a thought of stopping!!!
I was following a hilux Monster truck and they were filming us all the way!
They thought we were mad. Twisted Evil
Photos coming soon!!!
Definately jackin the ace now! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:28 pm

Ahh nice one sounds fun, i did similar trip at around christmas time but with all the rain was too chicken to try that bit between Port and Point Plomer. Did have it on the beach a few times though, Crowdy bay and Station creek north of Red Rock.

Looking forward to seeing your pic's. Hay Let us know how you go with lifting it up. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:53 am

Nice pic's TSNOOZ plenty of mud on her, we must have been up there around the same time, i wish i had've gone through the same bit now, oh well next time! Love your set up. I will post some more pic's of my trip.
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:15 pm

Cheers!
Can we load up video here? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:09 pm

If you post it to somewhere like Youtube you could then post a link.
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:41 am

Thanks Admin...
Hey srburnsy, I was in supercheap the other day looking at those front bars(wondering what they'd look like). Now I know!!! cheers
I was Also looking at the same BL#@DY awning aswell!!! scratch
And to top it off While I was over at TJM ordering a third roofrack Was wondering if the conduit water tank idea would be a good one???? pale
Looks good but Might scrap that one in case I'm up sydney way and try to jump in the wrong van!lol!
How much water does it hold anyway?
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:54 am

Great minds think alike hay. haha
Yeah you should do it, mine doubles as a carrier for conduit during work, it holds 25 liters of water, i also have another one inside for drinking water. Got the ARB awning on ebay for $400 works real well.

Hay i wanna see your video, email it to me or on Youtube yeah?
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:54 am

Still waiting for the real shots from the tuff truck Sad but I'll see what I can do....
PM me your email address anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:31 am

Very short and not the best but you get the idea...
The girly's not the best cinematographer either! Razz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU8AF2EGPr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYrHLc4Bz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhsDHrZgqA
I'll replace these with one mash up vid soon... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:56 am

Nice one TSN.OOZ!
Pretty rough, was it more sandy than sticky mud yeah? looked as though it was never in trouble hay, and camera can never do it justice. I reckon a bit more ground clearance and lockers front and rear and she'd go most places. GO THE MIGHTY SC!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:26 am

Yeah,more sandy than anything(cause it runs parallel to the beach most of the way) I wasn't stressing so hard this time cause I was following a couple of other 4x4s so I didn't have to get out the waders. Last time I went through in the kombi there was no one else around and waves of water were coming in the windows!!! (granted I was fair pegging it in case I got stuck) Razz
Lift and lockers!!! yeah That's the plan...
I need some more overtime!!! Wink

Even with a 4" lift I don't think I'll be able to get any bigger than 29"s in those wheel arches.
Not without firing up the gas-Axe and I've been there done that so not too keen to go back there any time soon... clown
What are you running on yours at the moment with the 2.5" lift? It looks heaps better with some chunkier rubber! did you have to replace the shockies at all?
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:11 am

I got 225/70/15 AT's before i lifted her... could prob go slightly bigger next time round. So yeah i kept the rear shocks standard and replace the front shocks because one was leaking. I will eventually replace the rear ones because they seem to be topping out quite a bit over large bumps.

I was looking on line at the POWERTRAX NO SLIP lockers, they seems ok and alot cheaper than air lockers, but not sure if thats the way to go. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:47 am

27.4"... Bigger! Bigger! With the Tyres That is!
I'd personally stay away from an auto locker(Detroit/Lock Right etc) from what I've read but these don't seam quite so bad after a brief read... You're still going to get the usual problems I think.Even if it's not as bad.
Under-steer/Tyre wear/Torque transfer more stress on the drive train heading down the shops.
Just my opinion after a quick read anyway...
Here's an Idea?
Gettem and let me know how they go!!! lol!
Air Lockers are my fav's... No hidden surprises! affraid
If they fit in the Kombi box I probably wouldn't have the SC.....maybe! Question
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:48 am

Oh yeah, This might be handy for some...
http://1970mgr.org/_Tiresizes.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:09 pm

Ok handy to have!

I know there was someone who fitted 235/75/15 - 28.9'' on but had to adjust the turn stoppers and hammer out part of the wheel arch to stop it rubbing. affraid
I wont be going to that extreme, but will try the 235/70/15 - 28'' when its time to change rubber. Wink
So yeah i do share your concerns about running those auto lockers, prob best to just save up and do it right with the air lockers hay cheers

Anyhow you prob know all about 4wdSC's limitations buy now but for any one that wants to know here it is!! Along the way i worked out some of the limitations of my full time 4wd SC and found that it's indeed very limited when the going gets rough, obvious then was the lack of ground clearance that will always be a bit of a factor, but the real let down is the viscus center transfer that CAN'T be locked and wont allow equal drive to the front set and rear set of wheels once one wheel slips, just chain driven transfer viscous coupling! Yes it does provide some drive, someone suggested i jack one of the front wheels up and and try to see if i could drive off the jack and into my garage door! ha! The viscous coupling does actually sort of lock up and wants to drive off the jack with a small amount of force to the rear wheels but the wheel in the air gets most of the drive so in the real world it's not going to take too much to stop you in your tracks. Some SC's have a limited slip rear diff that can help in some instances but nothing beats those early SC's that have part time 4x4 (manual locking front hubs) 50/50 equal torque to the front and rear wheels while in 4x4 mode, but the down side is it can't be used on sealed road in 4x4 mode unlike the full time version. Some see this as a advantage in using less fuel.
affraid
I will say though how surprising my FT 4wdSC it is on some tracks and where it has got me, it loves the steep loose up hill climbs, not so good on the down though better ground clearance has helped with less scraping now, and is also better for on the beach, but don't kid yourself, you will get stuck if you venture too much beyond, make sure you have someone around to pull you out if you do. Shocked
I will eventually get front and rear lockers that will make it alot more capable and should get me onto a few more beaches in future, the ones with soft sand. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:57 pm

Yeah my work mate brought in a spare 275/70/15 I think it was,and a 2 pound hammer suggesting the same thing... He knows what I'm like! clown
Autos generally are not so good heading down steep sections unless you've got a brand spanker with all the bells and whistles like a descent button and traction control and all that jazz... But hey, They're better on the beach and that's what we want right? Very Happy

So if you've got a locker on the rear and spinning both wheels a front locker isn't going to be all that beneficial because the transfer case is still sending most of the drive to the rear? Interesting.
Obviously still be better than nothing though. It just depends on $$$ spent VS Gains.
I don't think I could get one without the other though...

Less fuel??? these thing are great! I had a 2L Kombi for about 12 Years...If I wanted to use less fuel I would of bought an echo! lol!


Just looking at this type of transfer setup and reading figures of 35%Front and 65% Rear. If it's anywhere near that then a front locker would still be a justified purchase Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:02 am

Yeah your right if loss of traction on front or rear you stop. But the lockers will give us one extra wheel in traction in both situations than what we have now. So for sure just keep saving $$ - do some cashies you lazy sparky! bounce lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:41 am

hey fellas,

I'm looking atbuyin a super custom 4wd.

I've noticed not all of them are 4wd? is there a way to tell easily?

Also,

are they any good as a 4wd? as good as a Delica?

if so I'm keen. do they need a lift kit maybe?

the delicas are built on pajero stuff, what about customs?

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PostSubject: Re: Not a real 4wd   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:40 pm

grillzey wrote:
hey fellas,

I'm looking atbuyin a super custom 4wd.

I've noticed not all of them are 4wd? is there a way to tell easily?

Also,

are they any good as a 4wd? as good as a Delica?

if so I'm keen. do they need a lift kit maybe?

the delicas are built on pajero stuff, what about customs?

Cheers

Not seen any replies, yet, so I'll pitch in with my 2 euro cents worth(!).

I don't know how easily you can tell if they are 4x4.... Note that earlier ones are part time 4wd, with manually locking front hubs and low-ratio transfer cases. Later models are AWD- with a viscous coupling and permanent four wheel drive. They are quite different! The later AWD system is good for slippy roads and gravel but not so good for when things get more gnarly. The part-time 4WD system is similar to a HiLux pickup and gives you low ratio for rough tracks and mud along with a LOCKED front to rear driveshaft.

The limiting factor is ground clearance, though, which isn't great in any of them. You can lift the suspension and fit bigger wheels, as some on here have- see earlier in this thread and others.

The Delica is (I believe) more of an off-roader but the highway performance is compromised.

Hope this helps...

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