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PostSubject: Fuel milage   Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:06 pm

Just wondering what others are getting for fuel economy?

I'm getting about 12L/100km but I just cleaned the air filter so I hope it gets better...
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:20 pm

Have you tried mixing diesel with vegetable oil ?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:30 am

Funny you should ask about vege oil. I have a meeting tomorrow w/ the kitchen manager of a fancy restaurant in town about taking some of their WVO off their hands.

When I bought this HiAce my intent was to convert to WVO but after heaps of research and consideration of $ investment and space issues, I have opted to go w/ mixing filtered WVO w/ diesel. I built a filtering system and plan to start mixing WVO w/ fuel as soon as I secure a source for reliable oil.

Has anyone here tried mixing WVO?

Any advice for a beginner that might be specific to the HiAce?

Is filtering to 10 microns fine enough?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:18 pm

Recommended

"We take this waste vegetable oil and recycle it by filtering it down to 0.15 microns, then make it available as a Biodiesel feedstock."
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:52 pm

BORROWED FROM ANOTHER FORUM. Hope it helps.

I have been producing Modified Waste Vegetable Oil (MWVO) and using it in 7 family vehicles for nearly 2 years now, with no problems.

The oil that I "make" is just cold-filtered after collection from local cafes, mixed with 5% pump-diesel and left standing for 3-6 weeks, depending on demand. We then use it at 50-50 in very cold weather, rising to 75% in hot summer. The emissions at MOT are much lower, starting is unaffected and performance is, if anything, better. No modifications are needed to the vehicle, but the oil does dissolve off any old gunge from the tank, so a new fuel-filter is needed soon after starting to use the WMVO and I keep one in the car, just in case.

I looked into biodiesel, but the process is fiddly and uses nasty chemicals that I don't want in my garage. I also considered straight veg-oil (SVO), but the necessary modifications are expensive AND the govt. is removing the tax benefit, calling it a "fuel substitute", so I can't see the point when my method leaves the vehicle unchanged while I save 64p/litre anyway.

My filter method couldn't be much cruder, either. I have a strong wire basket 9 inches dia. by 9 in. high, in which I place the bottom half of a good old linen pillowcase. The basket sits in an old kitchen bowl that has a sink-waste fitted, with 3" of pipe. The assembly sits on a 25L plastic container, primed with the 5% diesel and I just pour, wait and pour again!

I only collect from cafes that drain their friers into the plastic drums that the oil comes in, so can't see any possibility of water contamination after cooking at high temperature.

The cloth eventually fills with greasy grot, which I squeeze out onto the compost heap. The filtered liquid is as clear and golden as new oil, but I have a scrapyard diesel filter, an old electric fuel-injection pump and some clear plastic pipe and use this to fill 5L containers for the family to add to their tanks after buying forecourt diesel.

I keep records and pay the duty monthly. The bio-power website has links to Customs and Excise, with info on the procedures involved. It's all done on trust, with the possibility of unexpected inspections, but C&E have been fine with me.

Perhaps I should add that I was a lecturer in Motor Vehicle Studies for over 30 years, with a personal interst in alternative energy, so probably have some idea what I'm doing. Just don't get me started on #*&~!! windfarms!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:40 pm

0.15 microns verses pillow case. Everyone has an opinion.

Having a spare fuel filter on hand after one begins running mixed oil/diesel was sage advice. Will do that.

Anybody know what model # fuel filter the 1991 3L hiace prefers?
Do you have NAPA there?
Also an oil filter # would be great (FRAM?)
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:04 pm

Another good post in another forum...

http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/878-toyota_hiace.html

Question Question Question trying to find filter ref's
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:33 am

Pulled off my oil filter today and managed to read the Toyota part # off it.

3L engine uses a Toyota 90915-30002
or one of these equivalents according to another forum:

Sakura Oil Filter: C-1112 (Z334)
FRAM PH6357 and PH5123 and perhaps a PH8A?
WIX: 51368
Fleetguard: LF3608
AC-DELCO: PF30001
Hastings: LF191
ALCO SP993
AMC TO140
BALDWIN BD7029
BOSCH 0986452062
CHAMPION K274
COOPERS Z1043
CROSLAND 2109
DELPHI FX0125 and FX0163
FIAAM FT5429
FILTRON OP619/1
FLEETGUARD LF3608
FRAM PH6357 and PH5123
JAPANPARTS JFO213
LAUTRETTE ELH4240
MAHLE GROUP OC275
MANN WP928/80
M-FILTER MH3352
NIPPARTS J1312013
P.B.R. BC1214
PURFLUX LS895
PUROLATOR L27635 and L37635
SOFIMA S3248DR
TECNOCAR RD1216
TJ FB5842
UFI 2324800
VIC C115
YUIL FILTER YFT011

Can anybody help me find a fuel filter # for the 3L engine?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:53 am

Good work fella..

I have done load of searches and cant find anything on the 3l engine. Mad
Can you see that model number anywhere or are you guessing from the list that was posted before ?
I have emailed Toyota to try and get some other info.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:17 pm

I've emailed this person to ask for details from their filter. Smile

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toyota-breaking-Hiace-Hi-ace-Super-Custom-4WD-2-8-3L_W0QQitemZ290075958329QQihZ019QQcategoryZ10428QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:23 pm

Nope, that's definately what the engine is called. It was rarely put into the Hiace from what I gather because I can;t find a Hiace manual that details the 3L engine. I will likely have to get an engine manual from a hilux of surf.

This is the Toyota shop manual (cover) for the 3L
http://www.toyoteros.com.ar/images/motor3l/in1-7.tiff
If you read french there are several other engine manuals at that site for free as PDFs

These guys have the manual in Canada
http://store.4wheelauto.com/view_product.php?product=1058
but they want $100! I'm having a friend look in Oz for me this week.

Still that 100 would have save me several hours the other day when I tried to remove the air filter from the top rather than the bottom... duh!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:49 pm

cheers

Think weve cracked it....

Searched the Hilux Specs and found



Then checked with sellers and found...



cheers

Hope this helps.. You can probably search using the oem numbers
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:16 am

that is what I was looking for. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:05 am

hi mine is the 3litre turbo awd automatic it gets 8 klms per litre 12.5 / 100klm tows boat and trailer beautifully drops about 1 klm a litre towing. i was told by the tranmission boys to leave the overdrive off while towing around town .i live in the sticks and once on open road i put the overdrive back on . also i sometimes use bio diesel (bio 20)and dont notice any difference in performance, a bit less exhaust smoke though. i have to check further as i think milage drops off a bit with the bio fuel. a lot off my driving is at about 100klm /hour but towing milage is definately better at 90 / 95 klm/hr. cheers
it appears that i lose about .7 klm per litre towing with bio 20 just did 500klms each way one on normal diesel and one on bio 20 definately was down on klms per litre with bio
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:30 am

wow mine must have a hole in the tank.its a 2.4 turbo think once i might have made 500klms on a tankfull but was on fumes.at best usually 400-420(about 16 -18 to the gallon i think).2wd and auto
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:17 pm

Found that Bio did reduce the tank range a tad, the main problem I have is spend 30% on the continent (due to leave again 27th July for Nice). Normally (pending on the Ac running in hotter climate) about 530ks on a run, but get murdered using it on local runs to work and back in Uk.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:29 pm

i might have to beat that record......do you know of any 540klm hills to run down lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:48 am

This was not out of choice beleive me Exclamation . everytime I wanted to stop around the Rhone Valley area, most of the filling stations were shut affraid . I knew I was good for approx 475-500k's but didn't think for one second it would be a problem to find a station and anyone whom has driven in France will tell you that there aren't many about. Since then everytime I go over, i never let the thing drop below 1/2 tank. Was absolutley cacking myself Exclamation
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:27 pm

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The assembly sits on a 25L plastic container, primed with the 5% diesel and I just pour, wait and pour again!


I keep records and pay the duty monthly. The bio-power website has links to Customs and Excise, with info on the procedures involved. It's all done on trust, with the possibility of unexpected inspections, but C&E have been fine with me. !


When you say the container is primed with the 5% diesel do you mean that out of 25 liters, 5% of it's capacity is diesel fuel you poured in previously? Also the monthly duty you pay, how much do they charge you? I can imagine it's got to be small or it wouldn't be worth doing. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:20 am

Sorry m8 I just copied that text from someone else ! Not brave enough to try anything else other than new veg oil from Morrisons.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:53 pm

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/excise-duty/brief4307.htm

No more biodiesel/vegetable oil tax if you use/produce less than 2500L a year Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:26 pm

Sorry my mistake. You did mention that it came from another forum. The procedure sounded so interesting and do-able that I forgot about the disclaimer at the top.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:01 am

Admin wrote:
BORROWED FROM ANOTHER FORUM. Hope it helps.


Can I ask which forum it was clipped from? Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel milage   Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:20 pm

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